The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
As branches of the same divine Vine, we embrace the power of community and the guidance of faith, aiming to inspire and uplift our listeners as we collectively journey toward greater understanding and connection. Welcome to a space where vulnerability meets wisdom and where, together, we discover the beauty of being intertwined in the vine of life.
The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
How Its Made: Joe Devine
This episode is a heartfelt exploration of how Joe Devine became Joe Devine. Katie interviews Joe about the different life experiences that shape who he is today. Joe reflects on his relationships/experiences with family, friendships, and careers, blending humor with meaningful insights about his past and who he has become today.
• Exploring emotional peaks and pits of the week
• Discussing family dynamics and their influences on personal identity
• The value of friendships and long-lasting connections
• Career development inspired by personal and familial influences
• Life-altering experiences from youth programs
• Fun segment on medical terms revealing their playful rapport
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Hello to all the dog lovers.
Speaker 2:You are welcome here, yes dog lovers, you are in fact welcome to the vine.
Speaker 1:Welcome back.
Speaker 2:Uh, we do love dogs, don't we?
Speaker 1:We love. I mean, we'll love you too if you don't like dogs. But um, we just love dogs.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think I'm. I'm a closeted cat person.
Speaker 1:You are, you are. If it weren't for my Horrible allergies, we'd probably have cats.
Speaker 2:I think I would have gotten a cat in my apartment before. No, I think I would have gotten a dog first. I still would have gotten Lucy, but I probably would have tried to get a cat.
Speaker 1:Lucy's, your soul dog, she is my sweet girl, I'm Katie.
Speaker 2:I'm Joe.
Speaker 1:And welcome to the Vine yeah we're excited to have everybody back. We're back for a fun episode. This is Joe's idea, so if it's bad, blame him.
Speaker 2:Blame me Actually, no blame, Katie. She should have stopped me.
Speaker 1:Well, I had no idea what else. You know, this was like, this was always like our backup plan. And here we are.
Speaker 2:I've had this idea for at least a couple months and every time I suggest it and Katie's like oh, I don't have an idea, one instead. And then we've done that idea because my idea is terrible.
Speaker 1:Well, and now we're doing it because I got nothing else yeah and I don't actually think it's a terrible idea it's not your favorite though well, we'll see, we'll find out let's see how this episode goes so would you like to explain?
Speaker 2:well, hang on you're, so you always time.
Speaker 1:Every time I forget All right If Katie's distracted.
Speaker 2:it's a beautiful day outside.
Speaker 1:It is. I just really want to go outside, dying to go outside Peaks and pits, sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Interrupt me again. Why don't you Peaks?
Speaker 1:and pits.
Speaker 2:Katie, what were your?
Speaker 1:Peaks and pits.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, I um there, you go um.
Speaker 2:okay, I feel like I don't deserve to go first because I interrupted you so much.
Speaker 1:But I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm a gentleman and a scholar, sure, well, I'll start with a pit, you were gone yes, I was, you were gone for almost a whole week and I could not get anybody to hang out with me. I was also feeling like super, like I didn't want to hang out with me. I was also feeling like super, like I didn't want to hang out with anybody. Anyways, like I was, it wasn't a good week overall.
Speaker 2:Like I was like you, were a little emotional.
Speaker 1:I was emotional. You weren't here. I like desperately needed human interaction but I could not get myself to reach out to anybody and like when I did, I would like back out. I'm like actually nevermind. I didn't know this, I, I did I did reach out to people and then I just ghosted them. Sorry if you're one of those people. Wow, sometimes I do that that's crazy um, so yeah, you're just like I wallowed while you were gone.
Speaker 1:That was really fun well, good um, however, saturday, which was yesterday, uh, I took Lucy to a group class, which we haven't mentioned a while, but Lucy went to doggy school and now we have unlimited group classes, which might be my favorite time of the week now, but yesterday was super sunny, really pretty. We went to the dog park.
Speaker 2:You do love it, you absolutely love it. I know I love it.
Speaker 1:And we went to the dog park and it was like Lucy and me and like 10 other owners and their dogs and it was just so much fun. Like we walked to the park, lucy did everything right, she was such a good girl and I just had a blast, even though I was like alone, and it was just a good way to end the week.
Speaker 2:So well, good, I'm glad it was. Uh, it was a great time to end the week yeah, so that's my week.
Speaker 1:How about yours?
Speaker 2:uh, let's see my peak and pit man. This is a good one. Um, wow, I feel I was telling katie earlier. Uh, today, like sometimes when I travel for work, I feel like I'm teleporting, like I feel like time stops, like at home, and so I feel like I like haven't missed anything, but I guess I have. Um, you have it. Oh, I have a peek. I should have thought about this before I asked while you were talking, but I was zoning out um, okay, uh well, I know you do it when I talk to.
Speaker 2:It goes both ways um. I was in nashville for a conference this week and I got to have hattie bees and I don't get the hype I just love it's nashville how it's different than rocky's hot chicken shack or dave's hot chicken.
Speaker 1:Like how are they?
Speaker 2:they are all different because they are all spiced differently. The chicken's fried differently spicy, like dave's, you get it in a little sandwich. Uh, if you go to rocky, you get the fried okra and their spicy ranch. When you go to, uh, um, hattie b's, they have their comeback sauce. That's really good, and they have the fried pickles. It's just, you know, it's a. It's a great thing, and I love all three of those places.
Speaker 2:So my peak is I got to eat hattie b's. Okay, uh, my pit. I will just say oh uh, side peak is that I did just burp uh, side peak is that.
Speaker 2:I also got to go to bucky's and you know, get some beef jerky, get some, uh what I forget what they're called, like the little ranch crackers. It was great, all food related. The pit, I would say, is driving six and a half hours to Nashville, with I-40 being closed and just lots of traffic. I was kind of going crazy. I told Katie I was so bored that I was just kind of randomly yelling sometimes just to make sure I was still keeping up the energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that does not sound fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I would say that's my peak of my pit. Well, and I'll say, the other pit too was when you called me I think it was on Wednesday, and you were really sad and I hate, I hate.
Speaker 1:So sorry to burden you with my sadness. It's not it. Just it makes me sad when I know, I know I knew it too, like I talked to my mom beforehand and she was like why don't you call joe? And I'm like I know when I call him I'm gonna make him sad, and we both cannot afford to be sad at the same time when I was just like I feel bad, I'm like I'm traveling I know and I always do it to you when you're traveling so I was trying I was trying hard not to, but mom was like call, call.
Speaker 2:Joe, well, and I mean to be fair, you're like, not the best at like the 180 of like hiding your emotions.
Speaker 1:No, I can't, I literally. That's why I didn't want to call you. I was like I'm just going to avoid this topic altogether. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I can tell by the way you answer the phone. It's like immediate and I'm like, oh, okay, so, but we've had a great weekend since I've been home.
Speaker 2:So yes, right now you can explain school when you're watching TV at like 1230. There was not much on TV that late at night and one of the shows that was always on Discovery that late at night was a show called how it's Made, and I love. And there's another one on Food Network I think it was called Unwrapped, and the premise was the same for both shows. So it would show you the process of how, like Pringles are made or how a computer monitor screen is made, and they'd have these like giant factories.
Speaker 2:And I just always thought it was so cool because you never know like how much goes into the process of like making a Pringle, you know, or how much goes into the process of making like a computer mouse, like, and it's just these things that we kind of take for granted that just show up. But there's like so many different pieces that go into it and I thought it would be fun especially since we talk a lot about like our experiences but we don't necessarily talk a ton about who we are sometimes I thought it'd be fun to do an episode called how it's made for us. So this is episode is going to be how I joe divine was made and how.
Speaker 2:I think you just want an excuse to talk about yourself well, yeah, I mean, there's no excuse, I'll just do it anyway. Um, and then katie will have an episode, the next one.
Speaker 1:That will be how katie was made yes, I think the reason I was against it was because I'd never watched these TV shows, like I had no idea what you were talking about and I was like I don't understand how we can parallel like a computer mouse to like a human being. But you've convinced me. We've come up with some good questions.
Speaker 2:And so the goal is basically, like we also always talk about, I think and it's a good thing, it's an important thing Like everything is kind of centered around our relationship with God, our relationship with our faith. I think this one will be more so like just kind of who we are as people and our faith and our relationship with Christ, of course, is like a large part of that. But who we are just if you were to see us on the sidewalk and you have no idea who we are kind of like a little bit of background about like how we were shaped, how we were formed, why we think the way we do and hopefully see how like god's intertwined in that yes, absolutely um, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So, with that being said, I know I'm so secular.
Speaker 2:What's the word? There's another word for it.
Speaker 1:I can't think of it right now I don't know anyways yeah with that being said, we came up with a few questions.
Speaker 2:I came up with a few questions.
Speaker 1:Joe did come up with a few questions, and so I guess I'll just start with question number one. So, joe, how did your family shape you?
Speaker 2:Wow, Katie, thank you. That's such a great question. You really thought hard about it.
Speaker 2:No. So I thought this one I mean, ultimately we're all shaped by who we are as people, at least in some part from the people who raised us right, and I think a big thing for me and I want you to chime in here as the person that knows me best and tell me if I'm like going off course. So I have three older siblings and they're all significantly older than me. So I mean they're so old. If they're listening, they're significantly older than me. So I mean they're so old If they're listening, they're like ancient, but they're 9, 10, and 12 years older than me, or 11, 12. Nine and eight, depending on, like where the year falls. Um, and they were awesome.
Speaker 2:It was so much fun growing up with older siblings that were so much older than me. Like I just remember always wanting to be older than I actually was. Like I remember, you know I'd be four or five and you know all my siblings are in high school and like I just felt like I was a high schooler. Siblings are in high school and like I just felt like I was a high schooler, even though I like literally was like a year removed from pooping in a diaper and I just felt like I had that air of like being an adult and I remember my mom always used to laugh and like some of her friends because I would spend a lot of time with my mom, which we get into in a second they would always laugh and say that like I would carry myself like a little adult basically everywhere, and I think that was because I just always was growing up around people older than me and I was just trying to emulate that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, you've always come off like like we joke around. You come off taller than you are. Yes, yes so if you listen to this and I've never met joe and you're thinking like he's like six foot something, just based off of his confidence wrong you're wrong, very wrong I'm listed at five nine.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what my legal height is wrong like you.
Speaker 1:Just straight up my legal height is five nine.
Speaker 2:Okay, no one's allowed to tell me I'm different. Um, so that was definitely a big part is like having older siblings. Like I remember going, um, I think I was in first grade, maybe second grade yeah, it must have been second grade. Um, and my brother was in college. Maybe it was, maybe I was a little, I was probably a little bit older than that maybe third or fourth grade, it doesn't really matter. I was in elementary school. My brother was in college and, uh, I was allowed to go stay the weekend with him. I don't know why my brother thought it was like a fun idea because, like I know, when I was in college I would have hated having like a nine-year-old hang out with me, but like all his friends just like totally embraced me and we went like camping together. That weekend. We had like we were shooting off fireworks. I went to a clemson game. I was like, oh, this is awesome, I'm just in college.
Speaker 2:Now it's a nine-year-old yeah um, like I was just, I was shaped by like those memories from like seeing how my older siblings acted, I was like, okay, that's like I saw how they enjoyed their lives. I was like I want that for myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The other thing I would definitely say is I spent I also because they were so much older than me. I also was kind of raised as an only child, sometimes, like I never had to like share what we were watching on TV.
Speaker 1:You got everything you wanted.
Speaker 2:I, I, yeah. So I mean, there were. There's definitely times I, you know, my mom was like no, you're not getting that, just because, like no, you're not getting that yeah.
Speaker 2:But, like you know, it was never like, oh, what are we having for dinner? It was just me and my mom, as my dad was traveling a lot. So it was like, where do you want to go to dinner? And we'd be like, all right, well, let's just go to Chick-fil-A. You know like, and that was that has definitely shaped me as like the only child piece, because I feel like it took me a little longer than usual, especially when we got married.
Speaker 1:To learn how to share. Yes, to learn how to share.
Speaker 2:And mom, you did a great job of teaching me how to share. It's just me, but like I would say that was the other thing, that like growing up as an only child and I think like that's also an important thing like as we grow, you kind of got like the best of both worlds.
Speaker 2:I definitely did for sure, um, but I feel like it's like, if you are an only child in a relationship with somebody who is not an only child, that's something you guys might have to work on, potentially, just because being an only child, there are just weird things that you just get accustomed to yeah, because you're you spend so much alone time. Yeah um, and that was the other thing. I was a very independent child and both my parents were very uh, I don't know what the what the word is we're keen on.
Speaker 1:They like fostered your independence. Yes, yes, Like they wanted you to learn how to like take care of yourself.
Speaker 2:Yes, very much so.
Speaker 1:We always joke like well joke, but this is actually serious. When we were dating in high school, I mean, joe was like my first real boyfriend, Ah. But even when we first started dating, I wasn't quite sure how I felt about him.
Speaker 2:Yes, very true.
Speaker 1:And like for a good six months to maybe a year, I was like I don't really think I like this guy, but I really like his family.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna stick around for a little while and it sounds so silly and it is really childish because neither of us really had any idea what it meant to be in a committed, serious relationship. Like I was 15, turning 16 at the time. Um, but yeah, I stuck around for so long because I really liked your family and a big part of me saw your family and the way that like they were and like um your family dynamic and knew that I wanted that for my future family and so we always joke because you know we've had our ups and downs and like almost broken up and broken up and took a break, whatever, and you've always been like well, thanks to my family.
Speaker 2:I stuck it through. Yeah, Katie powered through.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we love, I love your family. Yeah, they're amazing.
Speaker 2:I also have a really big extended family, so both my parents are one of five, and the other thing that I think shaped me is like who I am is I like being around big crowds, because oftentimes when we're together as a family, it's a very overwhelming?
Speaker 1:large crowd.
Speaker 2:And I also I like being the center of attention. That's another like I think, only child thing and so being in a large crowd, like I learned from the family, like what to do to to like get the center attention and like that was a big adjustment for me yes, oh, my goodness, katie knows because, like it still is in the divine household you have to fight for attention if you're not being heard. It just means you're not being loud enough. Like you just talk.
Speaker 1:You just have to keep talking over people, yeah and like that is something so unheard of to me, like if I try to say something and like nobody hears, I'm like all right, well, it wasn't worth it. Yeah, I'm not gonna fight for it um yeah.
Speaker 2:So I would say, that's I mean a very I appreciate how much your extended family gets together which is funny, because I don't feel like we get like maybe once a year on each side, but like I don't know even just like the effort to do like zoom calls and like all be together for like you guys used to play games on zoom like I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, during covid, yeah like I just feel like you guys do make a big effort to see, like everybody's wedding, like yeah, if somebody's getting married, there's we're all gonna be there yeah like everybody, try it's not just like the immediate family, like it is the entire family, and that was always something that, like I, wanted for our family. But logistically and geographically my family just couldn't do.
Speaker 2:I mean I have family hard to go through customs yeah times a year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my family is literally in a different country and so I don't know. I just well, you guys are far apart too, but being in the same country helps.
Speaker 2:There's a difference between an eight hour drive and a 14 hour flight.
Speaker 1:But I do feel like that's unheard of these days. Like the amount of effort you guys put into seeing each other, like that it's normal for you. But if you were to ask anybody else like I don't think that's very normal.
Speaker 2:Well, like growing up, it's you, you know. Like you always hear people talk about like, oh, I have to go. Like I have to go to my aunt and uncle's house, like I have to go to my cousin's house. I don't want to see them like we are like, we are all like dying to go see each other and like it even is.
Speaker 2:You can see it like bleeding into um my siblings, kids, and how they interact when they see each other, like it's very clear these are pivotal moments for them. It was the same thing for me growing up. I'm glad you actually brought that up about the extended family. Some of my most pivotal moments are being around my cousins and the time we spent. The games that we would play are the games that I teach to our youth group kids now it's the games that I teach to our youth group kids.
Speaker 2:Now it's the games that I I know this is so silly we played hide and go seek in the dark in middle school and stuff. I'm just remembering this now and if you're a high school friend of mine you'll remember this. We also in high school we were playing hide and go seek in the dark as seniors in high school and we loved it. We were going crazy for it. Um, like super smash bros, like. I started playing it with my cousins and my brothers and siblings yeah and like it bled all the way into college.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, me and all my college roommates are playing smash like almost every night in college.
Speaker 1:I do feel like your cousins like are like your siblings, like that's how close. You guys are, and I think that that that's really really cool. But since you mentioned your friends, that transitions us to the next question. I feel like I'm not a really good facilitator.
Speaker 2:You're good, you're doing a phenomenal job. I'm doing my best here.
Speaker 1:How would you say? Your friends shaped you growing up and your friends now. All the friendships. You know, I wrote that question and I didn't even actually think of a good answer for it. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I have an answer for you, but let me hear. Let me hear your answer first, and then I'll go.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like your relationships with your family and your cousins like bleeds into your relationships with your friends. Like it's, this like it's the same to me, like the way you care about your friendships. Um, I see a lot of similarities to the way you care about, like your relationships with your cousins and your siblings.
Speaker 1:Because you I don't know if this is like not normal for guys, but like your friendships, I feel like you have some friendships from like high school, even like elementary school, preschool, that have stuck it through all the way up till now like I don't think I've ever met a guy to have such close friends like that and like your circle of college friends like to be so close as you are now yeah I just think that's really unique and I feel like I see that in your family and I also see that in your friends I I see what you're saying and I would agree with that Like I think that I have treated because I saw like I enjoyed spending time.
Speaker 2:That's a great point. I hadn't thought about that. I tried to model because I had so much fun with my cousins growing up and my siblings. I was always looking to model my friendships after those relationships, looking to model my friendships after those relationships and I think that, um, I was shaped by, honestly, friends that like it's. It's an easy thing to like overlook, but I was comfortable to like get in arguments and fights with my friends. I mean one of my best friends. I fight with him all the time you know, like a brother, yeah, he knows exactly who he is.
Speaker 2:We fight all the time, but we, like I think we're so comfortable in fighting because we know that we love each other. You know, and like I think that that's the same thing for a lot of my friendships are like looking for people who will genuinely care about you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I think that like people are drawn to that Like what that's why I was drawn to your family and to you and like and that's why you have those relationships with people on the outside of your family, because they see that in you as a person and in the way that you pour into those relationships Like you're just so easy to everyone in your family, but I just know you best. You all are just like so easy to like connect with and you're just so good at like getting on their level and I feel like that's why the relationships in your life have like flourish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I and I actually going back to like kind of how I was shaped by my family I mean, it's definitely something I attribute to my mom, but I would say where I learned it, I think personally for me, was from my dad, like in watching him interact with people and the way that he, like I really do feel like he does go out of his way to talk to people and ask them questions and like he's at least engaging in the conversation. Um and uh, I think that's what I, you know, was looking for in friendships too is like somebody who's looking to be engaged in in my life just as I am in theirs yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 1:Um, now I don't know how to transition, sorry this is the next question. I was hoping that something would happen where I could relate it to this. Well, I guess your dad is a good point.
Speaker 2:You know, you've always looked up to him. He is my father.
Speaker 1:How did you choose your career?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 1:You don't act like you don't know the question. I was trying to segue because your dad, you always looked up to his career. Anyways, that did not go smoothly.
Speaker 2:Your dad is in business, you are in business, go. No, I think so. Again. I think everybody knows I'm in the wonderful industry of glue sales and for basically my whole career I've been in like hardware, building materials, sales of that nature and I think that I I I didn't really choose it as a career initially because I loved building materials, so passionate about glue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or glue or honestly, you know tools or anything like that. Like I chose it because, honestly, the company was good, they gave me a free car, but what I found that I loved was like building relationships with people. And that's why I ended up transitioning from my old job to my current job, because I realized that, like I, my passion was not for, like I didn't feel like I wanted to climb the corporate ladder. I didn't feel like I wanted to, you know, one day be the CEO. Sorry, I'm a little. I'm a little burpy, right now.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't have known if you didn't say that.
Speaker 2:I know, but I have to out it Like I didn't have a passion for that. What I did have a passion for and I think it goes back to my friendships and my family is like I like developing relationships with people and I think that that was where I felt like my talent was Like. To be honest, I don't think I have a lot of knowledge about how glue works. Have a lot of knowledge about how glue works. I don't have a lot of knowledge about how tools work. I know enough to get me by. But like I think the skill that I did have was the building, the relationships and the day to day of working with people who own stores and helping them grow their business and watching their business grow, um, I think is what excites me the most. Like I I've always told you, katie, like I'd rather be an important number two in a company than run the company.
Speaker 1:Neither of us want to be in charge.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly Like I like planning and I like leading, but as far as like for my own career, like I have no desire to like be an entrepreneur but, I have a desire to help other people grow their business.
Speaker 2:Be an entrepreneur, but I have a desire to help other people grow their business. Um, and I think that's where, um, that's how I kind of chose my career, where I feel like I've really flourished is finding a career that is allowing me to do that yeah, it's easy to sell something when you can make that immediate connection yeah and relationship with somebody yeah, and I and I view it as like I never view myself as like a I'm not your glue salesman, I'm a business analyst trying to help you.
Speaker 2:I just happen to sell glue right right um, that's kind of how I chose the career and, like I will say, growing up watching my dad like I was always interested in business and I was always interested in watching my dad, like I was always interested in business and I was always interested in, like you know, just how the economics worked.
Speaker 2:I remember I had I took an AP econ class in high school and it was the first time I actually, like really paid attention in class like where I was, like Whoa, this is really cool, like, and it, it just clicked in a way that a lot of other classes never did or were just honestly like boring, like boring. Like I know I wasn't going to be a doctor because I was in ap bio and ap chem or whatever it was, and I was like this is not for me, brother. We are, we are drowning out here, um, and so I just, um, I always felt called to it on that side and like I think, I truly think, there's only two other careers I ever really would have had other than a salesman stay at home, dad three other careers, uh, I think I, I there's a.
Speaker 2:There's a universe, a multiverse, uh, where I am an econ professor because I do love.
Speaker 1:I do remember when you were really like into looking in that track. Yeah, it's when I did research and stuff and I was like this is what I'm going to.
Speaker 2:This is my call, I'm going to change the world. I can't wait to win my Nobel Peace Prize. And then I was like that's a lot of work and then a lawyer. I think I could have been a lawyer.
Speaker 1:I think you would have been a good lawyer too.
Speaker 2:Just because I love debating.
Speaker 1:I you definitely followed in your dad's footsteps like literally maybe not to a t yet, but think of, like your travel schedule.
Speaker 2:A lot of people who have met me first, especially in a professional setting, and then meet my dad. They're like oh, I get it, that makes sense. Yeah, you, uh, I forget it was our, our current and former. I don't't know what Justin's podcasting role is with our producer, but Justin, daria, I remember the first time he met my dad and he was like you talk and have the same handshake as your dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is funny, like you're such a good blend of both your mom and your dad, but your mom and dad are so different.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, 100%.
Speaker 1:But I don't know. I do think that there's a lot of um attributing to your success because of like your dad, like he not only raised you but he taught you everything you know about, like business yes, that is true um all righty. Next question this one's kind of this one's kind of deep yeah, I don't know if you're prepared. I'm ready for it what experiences do you feel like have had the greatest effects on your life?
Speaker 2:um, this is an easy one, because I had one in mind when I asked myself the question prepared um, it's, I think, the biggest experience.
Speaker 2:So this is outside of like, of course, like our marriage, and you know that's the biggest yeah, whatever experience, but I I think, like if I have to pick something that I think has shaped me truly like who I like I, I would put this like if if this is inside out, this is going in like the core personality. I can't remember what the inside out two thing was, like the little islands or whatever, but like a core island for me is e-team and um. For those who don't know, e-team is something that Katie and I did when we were in high school and it's a group of high schoolers who put on a couple conferences a year for the Diocese of Charleston and it's, I think, my greatest experience in multiple ways. Number one it's where I fostered my relationship with you, so that's clearly very important experience in multiple ways. Number one it's where I fostered my relationship with you, so that's clearly very important. It led me to the job and my friendship with Justin Derry and then let me help be a youth minister. Sorry, here comes a little pause.
Speaker 1:Bless you, bless me.
Speaker 2:With Justin, where I was a youth minister in college, which helped me grow my faith. But also I gained so many real world skills from oh and, of course, like some of my best friends for from e-team. But, um, I learned just so many real world skills and I have to be careful saying that real, real skills, um like how to present in front of people, how to handle deadlines, like I think that's sometimes more like just as much as like the faith aspect that you learn on E-Team is like you learn how to handle yourself truly in the real world on E-Team.
Speaker 1:And like a safe place to make mistakes. Yes, yes, absolutely Like it felt like the bar was set set high, like it really truly felt like that. But if you failed, like there, like nothing really was on the line, no, 100, like there's nothing that's really that scary.
Speaker 2:But like, honestly, I think jerry the guy who ran it did a great job of like putting that pressure on us to feel like we and like giving us the responsibility. I think that did a great job of like putting that pressure on us to feel like we and like giving us the responsibility. I think that's the most important thing. Like you were in like if you were on the writing team, you had to write skits. You were in charge of writing them. If you were on design team, you were in charge of helping create the environment, um production, whatever it was, and like you had to, you had to own it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, like there wasn't, like you know, it was just as much a production as it was like a, you know, a growing in your faith, like you had to do your job and if you weren't good at it, you weren't going to do it. Oh, for sure you know and like if you weren't good on stage, you weren't going to go on stage. Because it's not about like being on stage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not about that. It's about putting forth as far as like the, the actual product. It's like what's the best product we can put out there? Right, right, um, and I real world, exactly exactly, and I think I learned so much from there, going into college and then especially going into honestly the like the, the workforce, like I knew how to work with the team.
Speaker 1:I knew how to throw out an idea that then gets shot down and not take it personally you know um I think, just like the entrusting a 15 year old with this, like large responsibility and then like believing in them to do. It is like where where you see like a lot of change in like a teenager's heart, because I don't think a lot enough people believe in teenagers to do anything a hundred percent or they do it for them, and like it was a safe space for, like, somebody of authority, a good mentor.
Speaker 1:That was like hey, I trust you to do this, I know it's a big task, but I know you can do it. Like, just simply like having somebody believe in you to do that was like a game changer.
Speaker 2:And that's a great point I've actually heard you say that before and I think that's a great point by you is like we were believed in. You know, it wasn't like you know, oh well, of course you guys couldn't do it on time. You know, you're just silly teenagers Like no you can do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a really really cool, cool space. I think we probably share a lot of good experiences there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all right, I think we have time for one more.
Speaker 1:One more? Okay, wait, let me see. Which one do I want? I'll let you pick, hmm, okay, well, of course I have to ask.
Speaker 2:Okay, I know which one you're going to ask.
Speaker 1:How did you know I was the one?
Speaker 2:Wow, aww. Okay, I know which one you're gonna ask. How did you know I was the one? Wow, oh. Um, I knew that you were the one and this is gonna sound corny and I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm just being honest right away.
Speaker 2:I well no because I never felt like you weren't, like I wasn't ready to keep fighting for the relationship. Yeah, like I, like I mean I even remember, like I remember getting a little tired of our two and a half hour long phone calls, like every other night in high school and I was like, man, this is, this is a lot. But I was like, hey, if this is, I know this is terrible.
Speaker 2:But like part of my thought process was, if this is what I have to put up with, and that's fine, because I'm like, I'm willing to do this, because I want to continue like I want to fight for you through, you know, through this, like through our breakups, through our discernment periods, I just always felt like it was worth fighting for and like I mean I can tell you a million things like I, I loved your family, like as much as said, like you talked about my family, I think your family provided something for me that you know, in a way, was awesome, that I maybe didn't get from my family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like we provided a lot that like we didn't have when we came together, which?
Speaker 2:is why.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited to start a family.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, exactly, and I think that, like I loved, you know your devotion to your faith and like you, checked all of the Catholic pretty.
Speaker 1:Yes, I only had two boxes in high school.
Speaker 2:Was she Catholic and was she pretty Boom Winner?
Speaker 1:That makes me feel so great about myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you're the one that said yes, so but no, it was. You know, you check the boxes yes, so um, but no, it was. You know you check the boxes, but I think that there's in relationships there's plenty of people who will check your boxes, but if you don't feel like fighting for the relationship, it's just not worth it.
Speaker 2:And I like I don't know. I can't put it into words. It's not like I knew what it was at the time. I just knew that I didn't want to lose you and also you were willing to respond to me in that end.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because if you had you know, there's the idea of like, how did I know you were the one? But, like I've always told you this, like I don't think there's only one person? I don't think that we were born soulmates. I think we became each other's soulmates.
Speaker 1:And we're still doing that.
Speaker 2:Yes, and like, if you had told, like I know I was 100% committed to the relationship, if you had discerned going into the convent, then that's my wake-up call to say like, okay, then this was not not meant to be not meant to be yeah um, but you responded to that call, so it it kind of became like, uh, like a self-fulfilling prophecy, like I was ready to keep fighting for you. You were responding to that and also fighting for me and the minute, that, that you know, that is not happening.
Speaker 2:Well, that's how you know.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I do feel like you gave me a space to learn and grow how to communicate my emotions, because you were literally not willing to stop fighting. Like anytime I was upset, you're like, well, let's talk about it, Like let's dive into this, and I'm like I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1:Those phone calls were so long I truly did not have the tools to express it, like verbally, like all I knew how to do Wow, that's crazy. All I knew how to do was like express emotion through, like crying or anger or like whatever. Like I just didn't. I truly did not know why I was upset, and so you helped me put those two words and you're like all right, well, if that's the problem, then let's like fix this or let's do this, or let's change that and like that I had never like I was like I've never met somebody like that before and I don't know what to do that, but I'm gonna keep them around because this is making me a better person.
Speaker 2:I, oh my gosh, wow, wow, yeah, I just I haven't. You're so. You're so good at eloquent, like at uh, now I'm a lot better at it, um, like explaining and communicating with me, like here I can, like you can pinpoint exactly. Here's exactly why I'm feeling upset, or like here's why I'm frustrated acquired, acquired skill.
Speaker 1:Like I would not take no for an answer?
Speaker 2:no, I wouldn't. So yeah, I'm frustrated. Oh yeah, that was an acquired skill. Like I forgot, you would not take no for an answer.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't. So, yeah, I'm grateful for that, because you know, there were times that I'd be like I don't think I can tolerate this blank and you'd be like, all right, well, I promise I'm going to fix that. And, like, you were definitely a man of your word and you always followed through with your promises, sometimes, yes, but all the time I would say, wow, we are married, high praise, um, and so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Cool, good answer, though yeah, so that's how I was made that's joe divine. I don't know if that makes sense and sometimes, honestly, I feel like, at least for me, this is a recording for me, so that sometimes I can listen back to this and just remember who I am, you know yeah, and like it's exciting because we're so podcast diary I think that's why it's so fun to have the podcast like we get to like reflect on this in 10 years, even if no one ever listens we will
Speaker 1:but it's cool because we're so young. Like this is how we're made now. As joe divine, 28 year old right, you're 28, correct, you just turned 28. Um, like imagine joe divine 50 year old. Like what is he? What? How are we going to answer those questions differently? Like it's going to be so cool to like reflect on that very true, very true um already, so I'm going to continue with my interrogation we have a plot twist for today's episode.
Speaker 2:Are you ready?
Speaker 1:for it. Today's marriage meeting is sponsored by me, katie, so I'm going to keep asking questions because I'm so great at it. I love it, so I thought it would be fun. I'm sure you've seen like little trends of people doing this where they ask their spouse like health care terms and ask them to describe it, and I'm going to be so good at this.
Speaker 1:It's just funny because you're not going to know these words and maybe you actually will. Sometimes you shock me with the things that you know. So, this marriage meeting, I've got six different medical terms.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I'm just going to tell you what they are, and you're just going to have to give me your best guess as to what they are.
Speaker 2:All right, you ready, let they are all right you're ready, let's go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm ready. All right, the first one is a yonker uh.
Speaker 2:So yonkers makes me think of jay-z? Uh in new york city. Um, so is it kind of like a callus, maybe like a like a bunion on someone's foot?
Speaker 1:no, it's a tool that we use okay what does it do?
Speaker 2:okay, not even close. What is it?
Speaker 1:what does it do? You got no other guesses. Like it's a tool, uh is it uh? No, I got no clue, okay to be fair, I don't really use this much in the work that I do, but it's a suction tool, so like if there's drainage or fluid or anything like, they'll suction it down?
Speaker 2:is it kind of like what you like when you go to the dentist and they put the little thing yes, yeah, yeah, similar to that, but it's very large. But yeah, I don't really use it that much.
Speaker 1:I just thought it was a fun word that is a very fun word, like it had no context to it. Okay, next one Rhinorrhea. This is a. Should I give you a?
Speaker 2:hint, or do you want to just like well? Let me let me talk it first. Yeah, diarrhea first is what I'm thinking of. I'm assuming it's some sort of disease yes um I it probably has nothing to do with diarrhea no um. Is it an internal disease like? It is a common disease like is it oh, oh, um, is that kind of like? Is it like rhinovirus, or is that something? Like uh, is it like a, just like a common cold?
Speaker 1:yeah, yes, runny nose. Okay, runny nose perfect.
Speaker 2:Oh, rhino like the big nose, okay, okay that was good you got there.
Speaker 1:I just have to talk. Yeah, I wouldn't have. No, wouldn't have known, stem words.
Speaker 2:sixth grade English. What does rhino mean? Is that a stem word? I think it has something to do with nose. Oh, like rhinoplasty.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, you're right, you're right, cool, cool Come on.
Speaker 2:Don't ever forget your stem words High, I'm stupid. High IQ is good.
Speaker 1:I was like wait a minute, it's not like golf Okay. All right, next one you might know this one. It's a common term, cabbage, and it's actually like an acronym, like C-A-B-G cabbage it makes me think of the song by the Rare Americans, baggage B-A-G-G.
Speaker 2:Anyway, is it like a hospital system or something?
Speaker 1:I have no idea.
Speaker 2:It'sa procedure I have no idea. A surgery you're amputating a foot. I literally have no idea nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, it has to do with the heart is it a heart?
Speaker 2:just open heart surgery?
Speaker 1:yeah, coronary artery bypass grafting.
Speaker 2:It is an open heart surgery I'm getting a cabbage, I feel like it should be a little more serious, like I don't know yeah, I'm getting a cabbage cabbage patch kids.
Speaker 1:Nope, okay, so far you've gotten one, right, right yeah, okay, I'm shooting for 50 okay, I've got two. I've got.
Speaker 2:No, I got three more fundus fundus is a type of mold that grows in between your toes no, it is a um part of an organ a fundus, as everyone knows, is uh, the opening into the uh stomach. You're kind of close, you're kind of close. It's the opening into the stomach chamber.
Speaker 1:You're kind of close. You're kind of close. It's the top of the uterus.
Speaker 2:Of course I was getting there, Katie.
Speaker 1:You were getting there, how would I ever? I just think that's a fun word. It's literally called a funness.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Okay, next one. I have to go get both of these All all right, so you still only have one point uh, tachypnea and you. That's not a real word do you want me to spell it for you?
Speaker 2:uh, no, it'll probably make me more confused. Tachypnea, oh man, this is not the latin. Latin stem words are failing me right now. Is it a disease, a condition?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess like a state, like somebody is tachypneic Is that when you are unresponsive. No.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It has to do with breathing.
Speaker 2:When you cannot breathe through your lungs. No, okay, it has to do with breathing when you cannot breathe through your lungs. No, I got no clue.
Speaker 1:It's tacky, so fast, fast breathing.
Speaker 2:Somebody's like breathing really quickly to Kipnick Gotcha yeah, I would never. It would have taken me forever.
Speaker 1:See. Now you know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of these.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is terrible. Why do we do this?
Speaker 1:okay, this is the last one. You probably you gotta know this one all right, this happens to me all the time.
Speaker 2:Okay, gird is that when you're angry because you're I'm so good is that uh is that?
Speaker 1:how about me like a?
Speaker 2:deeply southern person says that they're doing fine, I'm gird. No, what is it? I have no clue.
Speaker 1:So like I, I'm always a gastrointestinal. This uh like unwellness I always have my tummy always hurt because of this yes, you're right, let me just tell you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like acid reflux gastroesophageal reflux disease.
Speaker 1:That's what it's called man yep, one out of six, and that is why I dropped out of ap bio oh, I didn't know you did it I sure didn't even finish it well, I just realized it was not for me wow, that was fun. That really made me feel a little bit more powerful, because usually I'm the one that's straggling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you did great. Great job, you did great.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I did. This is the Katie show. It's amazing. Well, we love y'all.
Speaker 1:We love you. Thank you so much for tuning in, and let's keep growing together, shall we? Bye, y'all Bye, thank you.