The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
As branches of the same divine Vine, we embrace the power of community and the guidance of faith, aiming to inspire and uplift our listeners as we collectively journey toward greater understanding and connection. Welcome to a space where vulnerability meets wisdom and where, together, we discover the beauty of being intertwined in the vine of life.
The Vine with Joe & Katie Devine
Our Favorite Traditions
Have you ever found unexpected joy in the smallest moments, like feeling truly seen at work or reconnecting with friends over a beloved Friendsgiving tradition? That's exactly what we dive into as we share our recent personal highs and lows, including my sister's beautiful wedding and some chilly weather struggles. Join us as we navigate the bittersweet reality of post-college life and the thrill of mentoring resilient young people in our community. It's a journey filled with laughter, nostalgia, and the warmth of shared experiences.
Thanksgiving is just around the corner, and with it comes a lively debate about what really makes the holiday feast special. From the polarizing opinions on turkey and stuffing to cherished childhood customs like St. Nick's Day, we reminisce about the quirky family traditions that make the season bright. Gift-giving dynamics during Christmas also come into play, sparking memories of Santa's sole role in our holiday celebrations, all while humorously acknowledging the occasional tummy troubles from festive overeating.
Our exploration doesn't stop there. We delve into the rich tapestry of Catholic traditions, drawing parallels between the timelessness of spiritual practices and the storytelling of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. With personal anecdotes about rosary prayers and the significance of saints, we reflect on the evolution of religious customs and how they enhance our faith. Whether it's the liturgical seasons of Advent or the fun debates over potential baby names, this episode is an invitation to appreciate the profound connections that tradition and faith foster throughout the holiday season.
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what up, what up wow, not what I was expecting in the house wow, it's. It got worse.
Speaker 1:I didn't expect that, but one of my patients today one of my patients was like I see you, katie d, and I was like you know, that flows really well did you feel seen? I felt so seen, so hurt.
Speaker 2:So no wow well, everybody, welcome back to the vine this is katie d that's katie d, that is my wife and I am I'm just gonna say I'm joe. Thank you for all right, that's pretty lame.
Speaker 1:Thanks for not matching my energy I'm happy to be lame. Hello everyone.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:How's it going?
Speaker 2:Well, Katie, you're forgetting.
Speaker 1:What am I forgetting?
Speaker 2:What was your peak and pit?
Speaker 1:I wasn't forgetting I was giving them time to answer my question.
Speaker 2:All right, everybody, we're going to sit here in 30 seconds of silence while you're listening to this. Please, wherever you are, just respond with how you are doing out loud that. Make sure everybody knows ready set go. Oh, I hated that, yeah, that was terrible and that was only about a nanosecond of silence thank you for participating.
Speaker 1:Back to peak and pit. Um, I actually haven't given myself a chance to even think about it, did you? Think about it. No, I I totally again forgot about this. I'll start with my peak. We had our annual Friendsgiving this past weekend.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 1:It was a smaller crowd but you know, all the people that needed to be there were there and we had a good time and it's just always fun catching up with. You know your friends. Like, even though they live nearby, it's just so hard to make time for your people Like. It's not like college anymore, where you're literally just next to each other all the time, 24-7.
Speaker 2:Spending every waking moment together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you have to make time and then, even then, you have to choose, like sometimes it's okay to choose rest and not want to go out and be around people to choose, like sometimes it's okay to choose rest and not not want to go out and be around people, but it always fills my cup when I am, when I choose to hang out with people.
Speaker 2:We've been married. We've been dating for what? 10 years yeah or a couple. For 10 years we've been married for you know, almost, I guess three and a half at this point. Uh, there's a chance I still have spent more time with my college roommates than you in my life.
Speaker 1:Ouch.
Speaker 2:I know, Isn't that crazy. I mean, I literally spent like for four years basically every waking moment together. Okay, all right God, can you get on that? Can we get some statistics? Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:So it is just nice to like make some designated time to sit around a table. Literally, that's what, like that's how this podcast was birthed was was the conversations around the table with your favorite people, I just feel like are sometimes the stupidest conversations you have and also the most profound, so we just really filled my cup doing that and then always like we always play games and stuff, which is just so fun.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Anyways, my pit. Oh, you know, I have another peak. My sister got married.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That was a lot of fun. It was a little chaotic leading up to it, but as is every wedding, and that was super fun. And they are now living it up in mexico. I don't know if they're ever coming home they're just staying there now forever um, okay, sorry sidetrack, I'm just trying to like reflect back on the past couple weeks. Um a pit, I don't know no pit no, I think. Just it was freezing this past week and it it's going to get even colder.
Speaker 2:I can't wait for it.
Speaker 1:And on top of that, Joe has decided that now is the time we're going to go to an even colder state.
Speaker 2:Well, not now.
Speaker 1:Not now, but within the next month.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We are going to Washington, anyways, that's another conversation.
Speaker 2:We're going to go to Olympic National.
Speaker 1:Park. That's another conversation, but it's just been really cold and like I wake up with my nose frozen and I turn the heat on and the joke is really mad.
Speaker 2:We also keep the house very cold.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then I turn the heat on and then it makes you upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I'm like it's way too. Like it gets so hot and stuffy in our bedroom and you're always up first, and then I wake up and I'm like I know, I know, it's just not my favorite.
Speaker 1:So I feel like it's just been that lately I've just been kind of like it's cold, it's dark, still not feeling it, anyways, how about you.
Speaker 2:Uh, I would say this is a good one.
Speaker 1:I didn't really think about it Honestly, you have plenty out of while I rambled.
Speaker 2:Well, I was, I was making banter with you. Uh, the, I would say, my peak, honestly, has been, I feel like youth group this year has been really cool. Shout out to all our middle school youth group. It's um, it's been really well attended and I thought like we'd we'd some dwindling numbers at the end of last year and I thought I was like, oh, this is it, they all hate me, uh, but in end it's turned out that maybe we were. You know, we were just like Jesus, right, we were just ready for a resurrection, right? Never count us out.
Speaker 1:These are our glorious days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, but it's just been cool to see like especially now that we've been there for two years like to get to know some of the kids and and get to like I mean, we're not doing anything super crazy, but to kind of get to walk with them is like you get to know their journeys, as they're like growing up and going through what is, like everybody knows, middle school is a very tough time in your life and like getting to talk through them, talk to them about some of the stuff they're going through or what they're struggling with has been kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like that's kind of your niche, like middle school, the middle schoolers, like you're just good at talking to them and I'm like a little bit scared of them I just remember being weird. Like.
Speaker 2:I, I was weird, and so it's like middle schoolers. I feel like when you're at that age, you're just so passionate about something. Yeah, like there's something that every middle schooler is like. This is my entire life Like, whether it's a video game or like a sport, or, you know, a hobby or whatever it is like. Every middle schooler is diehardly obsessed with something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I'm here to support it. I think you're really good at it and I couldn't do it alone, so I'm glad we get to do it together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think, if I didn't do it, I don't think you would do it by yourself.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't, but it's fun to be there. It really is.
Speaker 2:It's fun to be involved in the parish. I think that's something we've been missing out on for the past few years, so we've been loving that. Yeah, my pit. I would say.
Speaker 1:Hmm, I don't know if I have a pit at the moment.
Speaker 2:I know it's hard but like there should be something that we're like at the moment struggling with.
Speaker 1:I feel like this is a mutual pit.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I feel like this month has been really hard for us. I think just not. You know, again not being able to start a family and for some reason it was harder this month. I don't know why yeah I don't know. I mean, it's just, that's just where we're at. It was just a really tough month to like accept the rejection of like.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go like another month more waiting more waiting and we now know I have more doctor's appointments coming up yeah, now, joe, like now we have to focus on you, and like I thought that we were kind of done with this part of our journey and it just feels we're not done feels like we're starting over a little bit. If you, if you really want our full transparent pit, that's.
Speaker 2:That's the pit yeah but we're okay now yeah listen one bad day in a month of 30,. You know it evens out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, katie, we have a fun topic. This one was I think was this my topic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is your idea, yeah.
Speaker 2:I like this one and I think it's going to be interesting. So this topic is traditions, so we're going to start off with talking about some of our favorite family traditions, like stuff we did with our families either growing up or for holidays, and also forgot to mention we're recording this literally two days before Thanksgiving, so, of course, like Thanksgiving and.
Speaker 2:Christmas and New Year's Eve these are all very big, tradition-based holidays, and so I think it's very apt to be speaking on tradition, so I will go with one of my hottest takes first, before we actually get into our family traditions. This is going to be a little debate for you and I.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh.
Speaker 2:I do not like Thanksgiving food.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I love it. I know you do you. I know this about you, though but like why we have like turkey and green bean casserole and mashed potatoes, three and like and dressing or stuffing, depending on where you're from. Those are four things like. I can think of so many things I would rather eat than those four things.
Speaker 1:There's a reason we only eat it around thanksgiving because it's bad no, not because it's bad, but because, to be honest, like I don't want to eat it every night, but it's something that like it's just like a savory comfort food you literally never eat turkey other than thanksgiving. No, I eat turkey sandwiches. I have a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 2:Turkey lunch meat is different than you don't ever eat Like a turkey. I know what you're saying yeah, like. I'm not going into the like maybe, I guess, turkey burgers, but we haven't cooked those in a long time. Like I'm not going into the meat section at Costco or Publix and I'm like, oh, thank goodness they have some goodness, they restocked the turkey.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's tradition. All right, Don't hate on the tradition. Just because you hate it does not mean that everyone else in the world has to hate it, but I love Thanksgiving food. I will say, though, by the time Thanksgiving rolls around, I'm all like Thanksgiving fooded out, because we have how, because we had Friendsgiving, which is all we always have Thanksgiving food there.
Speaker 2:I was pretty adamant about having almost nothing that was Thanksgiving related.
Speaker 1:Okay, we had a ham instead of turkey.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:People brought green bean casserole.
Speaker 2:That's the only Thanksgiving food. No, we had stuffing. Oh, somebody made stuffing. Yeah, oh, I didn't know that I mean it was all like.
Speaker 1:it was like the general esk, the general general esk okay the general essence of thanksgiving, and then we also have like an introducing product essence of thanksgiving.
Speaker 2:It just smells like burnt turkey sweaty, delicious people.
Speaker 1:But then we had an office thanksgiving, also more thanksgiving food so I did not know that. You know, and I think that's kind of why I'm having, like, some tummy issues.
Speaker 2:It's because I've had so much Thanksgiving food.
Speaker 1:Add it to the pit list. That will be next week's pit.
Speaker 2:Yet again another podcast where Katie talks about how she's having tummy issues.
Speaker 1:Okay, I liked that sidetrack conversation.
Speaker 2:Okay, I liked that side track conversation. So my one of my favorite traditions growing up and it still is alive, just a little bit, but it was definitely alive growing up is St Nick Day.
Speaker 1:I know I love that your family does that, if you don't know it's it's december.
Speaker 2:I'm probably gonna get it wrong. I think it's december 8th, um or 6th, maybe. I know it's right around pearl harbor, I think, which was december 7th, I'll fact check you um, but it's so. Saint nicholas is a holiday celebrating, you won't believe it or saint nick's?
Speaker 2:day friday, december 6th okay, so it's de 6th, so it celebrates the story of Saint Nick or you know who kind of the figure that inspires Santa Claus, and the tradition is that you gift somebody something in their shoes and so, growing up, that we would always wake up on December 6th and in our shoes would be usually like maybe a little gift card and some chocolate and like one small present maybe that we were like asking santa for, or something like that. Um, but the thing that the reason I loved saint nick, saint nick's day was because it always like snuck up on us, like you're not thinking about getting a gift, and then you wake up and in your shoes is a gift. Like you know it's not, like you wake up and like you run to the Christmas tree and it's, you know, the things you've been expecting or you've been really wanting. Like, just without realizing it, you go to put your shoes on before you leave and you're like candy.
Speaker 1:In my shoes.
Speaker 2:A little treat in my shoes. What?
Speaker 1:is this. That's so fun.
Speaker 2:So that definitely was one of my favorite traditions.
Speaker 1:We always did growing up Now, did you get a gift from Santa on Christmas Day too, or was that like your gift from Santa?
Speaker 2:Okay. So if you are listening to this with young children, here is a place to pause the podcast. Resume podcast.
Speaker 1:Because so many young children are listening to us santa brought all of our gifts really yes, so not my.
Speaker 2:The way that we did christmas growing up was um. I don't think anything was from my parents everything was from, even the stockings. Everything was from Santa. Now I have three older siblings who are all much you know, between 8 to 12 years older than me, and so I don't know what they did when they were younger, like if my parents said like some of the gifts were from them or they were all Santa. But basically I think I was like 5 or 6 when I figured out Santa wasn't super real.
Speaker 1:Such an inquisitive five-year-old yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it was Easter and I vividly remember this. I was opening up a pack of Pokemon cards for Easter and something about it just seemed a little the bunny really. I was like you mean to tell me there's a big rabbit bouncing around here dropping off Easter? Egg baskets, Like this seems a little much.
Speaker 2:And I literally went to my I think it was my mom or my dad and I'm like the Easter bunny's not real, is it? And I think they made eye contact with each other and they were like, yeah, we've got kids in high school, we're not doing this anymore. And so then I was like, all right, well, let's go down the list. Tooth fairy not real. Santa Claus not real. You know all. Just went down the list and they're like yeah, none of it's. None of it's real, it's us. And we're like. I was like, okay, good to know.
Speaker 1:I was not devastated.
Speaker 2:I was like the both. I guess they're the same person.
Speaker 1:Were they labeled like from.
Speaker 2:Santa is what I was asking. Oh, that's a good question. I can't remember. I don't think they were from anyone, so my mom's big thing was always wrapping paper per kid.
Speaker 1:Each kid had their own wrapping paper. Oh, that's cool yeah.
Speaker 2:So it would just say, like you would have find, only like everything would be wrapped and only one or two presents would be labeled. So you had to find out which wrapping paper correlated to which kid.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's cool. Yeah, we definitely did both. But my parents always got me the best gift and it was. We knew it was from mom and dad. Mom and dad always went up to santa claus.
Speaker 1:Yeah they're like, we're better than santa but we did get a gift from santa claus now, something that I just realized, like prior to this podcast, joe and I were sitting here thinking and I was like I don't, I cannot think of any family traditions, but it just is all coming back to me now. And, um, we celebrated advent and so every I want to say every day of december, or very frequently throughout december, we would wake up to a gift in our stocking, what I know, and so I that's like better hanukkah but I mean, they were small gifts, but I would like get so excited every day to wake up and see what was in my stocking.
Speaker 1:And it just always baffled me because I would talk to my friends and they'd be like yeah, we got this one singular gift from santa claus and I was like he must like me more, because I got like 7,000 gifts.
Speaker 1:Santa was, he was doing early delivery for me, yeah, amazon Prime yeah, I was about to say he cruising through so we got like I don't really remember how often, but I remember frequently like coming downstairs to see like what was in my, my um stocking from Santa Claus. So I was always so baffled that he only came to every other child once.
Speaker 2:I'm remembering another family tradition now. Um, and I I don't know if, I don't know how many times we did this and I think, uh, it even happened after I like kind of realized some stuff was fake and it still like blew my mind. I remember my mom on St Patrick's Day. She would always normally like in the mornings, like she liked to teach us to be kind of responsible for ourselves, and so, like normally in the mornings she would have her kids like if you want a bowl of cereal, you pour it for yourself, like she'll help us, but like you know, just starting to teach like good habits, like that and stuff. Um, but on, always on saint patrick's day, for some reason she would have the cereal already poured out in a bowl and then she would say why don't you pour your milk in the, yeah, in the cereal?
Speaker 2:and so she would put she would already have green food dye yeah in the bottom of the cereal bowl and you'd pour the milk in and the milk would turn green.
Speaker 1:And you were like magic.
Speaker 2:Mind absolutely blown. I was like how is this happening?
Speaker 1:I remember that happened for a couple years.
Speaker 2:That one was fun.
Speaker 1:That's fun. We used to call Santa Claus every year and guess who Santa Claus was on the phone.
Speaker 2:It was your dad it's my grandpa vic oh, he was santa claus.
Speaker 1:I I'm pretty sure you ever wonder why, grandpa and I always. I would always be like santa, you sound so familiar but I can't put my finger on it. But we used to call him all the time and I'd be like no way Santa Claus is giving me a personal phone call.
Speaker 2:Santa, you sound so much like a 60-year-old Filipino, chinese man.
Speaker 1:But it was so cool though.
Speaker 2:Don't you live on the North Pole?
Speaker 1:I felt so special to be able to talk to him. So shout out to our moms making the season magical, I think I so. We were never big elf on the shelf people I don't picture you guys as uh, that's a big no yeah, I figured not um, but all my friends were like super into it and I was so jealous so, like my mom got me an elf on the shelf, did not realize the elf needed to move she was just like like, oh, I'll get this for you.
Speaker 1:So I was like something's wrong with my elf and I was so disappointed that none of like all my friends elves were moving and mine wasn't. And I remember, looking at the time, it was not like the classic elf on the shelf, it was like a different looking elf on the shelf that came.
Speaker 2:Like the red.
Speaker 1:Like this I don't know how to describe it, but it kind of looked like a cabbage patch kid, but like not. So it was like a rackety hand doll, yeah, kind of, and it came with like jelly beans to like feed him or feed her the elf or whatever. And I remember this is how I found out that santa claus is not real. Like I looked at the jelly bean package and I turned it upside down and there was a website oh man so I looked it up.
Speaker 1:I saw all these elves on the internet and I was like this is like elf, human trafficking, what are we participating in? And that's that is how I found out. But it's okay. I kept the magic alive. Instead, I moved the elf around for my baby sister so she could have a very magical, magical time so did um, did you see?
Speaker 2:I think you were the one that showed it to me. There's a a video going around and it's elf on the shelf, but the dog yeah, it was so funny. A dog like has the elf and he's like ripping it yeah and the, the, what's the little girl say, there's like she's like you're a monster.
Speaker 1:Yeah look, you get the dogs like you're ruining him. You're such a monster. Meanwhile, the dog's having like the best time yeah, the dog's like this is incredible anyways how about outside of christmas traditions? Is there anything you can think of that, you guys?
Speaker 2:we always do a big july 4th party and that's always a lot of fun. Um, I'm trying to think but yeah, that's, that's like a really big family tradition we oh well, I guess we're talking outside of christmas. We I forgot to mention we do a big holiday, or in exchange with all my cousins oh yeah, that's fine it's gotten a little harder.
Speaker 1:We got no yeah, well, we are big into. I feel like new year's eve is really important to my family.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's like a cultural thing, but like starting the year off with your family was always like a good sign of like good luck. So like I never went to any new year's eve parties or anything like that, like we had to all be together and something that we used to do growing up, my grandfather would get like a bunch of coins and at midnight would throw the coins up and all the grandkids would like have to run around and gather as many coins as they could.
Speaker 1:I thought I was so prosperity right oh, yeah, probably oh, and like I don't know if it's a new year's eve thing or maybe it's a birthday thing or both, we would always have noodles yes, that is um yes yeah, we would always have spaghetti at birthdays, new year's eve, like anything like that, because it was a sign of, like, long life. So it was I don't know. My memories as a child was always like spaghetti and chicken. At the Doubletree We'd always have chicken and spaghetti. It was so fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's fun and random. Um, my grandma, um, every New Year's Eve or, excuse me, after New Year's Eve, so the day after, she likes to have either me or my dad walk through the door.
Speaker 1:Oh, I forgot that she did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, I can't remember what the tradition is. She told me one time and then I for some reason forgot it, so now sometimes I just go back and forth. That's fun or, and then sometimes it's been my dad, but usually I'm the one that's to walk through the door, say hi to grandma, walk through the door, and then she's like okay, thank you, bye, that's all I needed from you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know.
Speaker 1:I guess we'll have to figure out how we're gonna do our traditions well, yeah, is there anything I like that you want to um pass on to our family? Or like any new traditions that you've thought of?
Speaker 2:oh, I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I think I like saint nick day, I think that's yeah, that one for sure pass along um, I also like the idea. There are some people who do um, why do I want to say black friday? Not black friday? Um, not ash wednesday? What is the friday?
Speaker 2:what are we talking about? For lent lent the friday the there's a friday in lent. There you mean advent no, I'm talking about good friday good friday, that's what it is. Good Friday which is typically. We are, in fact, a Catholic podcast.
Speaker 1:I know I just couldn't. I think Black Friday is literally coming up on this Friday, so that was at the forefront of my mind, but I like the tradition. There are some families like on Good Friday that will, and for those of you who may or may not know, good Friday is the day that You're about to say something.
Speaker 2:Nope, you're good.
Speaker 1:Jesus was crucified, and so it's typically like a somber day and you spend the day remembering that, and I love the tradition that some people do where they like, plant a tree or a flower or something. Oh, I like that On Black Friday.
Speaker 2:Good Friday.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 2:You don't need to go plant a tree on Black Friday. I mean you can.
Speaker 1:You probably don't need to Good Friday. I mean you can. You probably don't need to Good Friday, excuse me, and I just think that's cool, like I think that would be a fun tradition to start.
Speaker 2:Ooh, the other one that made me think of the youth group I helped out with when I was in college. We would always on Palm Sunday, which in the Catholic Church is the Sunday before Easter and it's the Sunday where you read the gospel, where Jesus is crucified, and that Sunday we would always have youth group and our youth group would be. We would watch the Passion.
Speaker 1:Which I kind of feel like we've started that tradition. I feel like we always watch the Passion.
Speaker 2:So we want we usually watch the Passion. I think we usually watch it on Good Friday.
Speaker 1:You mean Black Friday?
Speaker 2:Any Fridays, any Friday, any friday at three o'clock um. But I I liked. I thought that was so cool because like the passion is like a very intense movie yeah was the highest grossing rated r film for a long time before katie. This is an early marriage, marriage meeting. What movie overtook uh? The passion as the highest uh grossing rated r movie can I give me like multiple choice? Uh, it's a movie that we were actually watching, one of the one of the like sequels today.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, um, deadpool. Yeah, oh wait, because didn't he make a joke about it in the second?
Speaker 2:one, um, so anyway, uh, it's, but the passion is, I think, a beautiful movie and it's. It's cool to watch it with, you know, the idea of palm sunday in your head yeah, it is such a good movie, good tradition to maybe cry every year oh yeah, absolutely, um, but that gets us into that's a bridge into a little bit more of the serious side of our conversation about tradition, and we want to touch on just a little bit kind of like our view of the tradition and the traditions of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just to lay it all out, there we are not theologians.
Speaker 2:By no means. We are we could barely come up with Good Friday.
Speaker 1:Could barely find my name. We are learning a lot about our faith. We love being Catholic, we love the tradition and there's so much to learn, and so this is just a candid conversation about, you know, what we know about tradition and the things that maybe we don't know and like are interested to learn about. So, yeah, absolutely Throw that out there. So tradition and the things that maybe we don't know and like are interested to learn about so yeah, absolutely Throw that out there.
Speaker 2:So one of the things when we were kind of looking up some of the information for this podcast, um, we came across this um, I think it's a little bit of a. It was on a website, but it's a little bit of the catech, the same as what we commonly understand by the word tradition. We need to distinguish between the terms tradition spelled with a lowercase t and tradition spelled with a capital T, referring to those things that are more often referred to as traditions and have meaning closer to the word, practices which are not part of divine revelation itself but are holy customs that have arisen later in the history of the church. Examples of lower T traditions include praying the rosary, the divine mercy, chaplet, devotions to favorite saints, making the sign of the cross, things like that Tradition capital T is.
Speaker 2:In this context, it refers to sacred tradition and that means to hand on, and so the idea is basically that tradition with a capital T is the Word of God, specifically the Word of God that the prophets or the apostles received through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. So to kind of think of it as tradition with a capital T. Again, this is and if you just heard our dog flap his ears that was Oliver. Tradition with a capital T is something kind of directly brought about by God or Jesus Christ or in reference to that, whereas tradition with a lowercase T is more so. Again, it's almost hobbies or practices that you can get started on.
Speaker 1:I love that distinction. I didn't never really know that there was a distinction, which I mean it makes a lot of sense. I feel like there are a lot of things that, over time, the church has developed in order to enhance our worship.
Speaker 1:Absolutely but it wasn't necessarily things that maybe early church people were doing, but I think that there's a lot to be said about growing and incorporating new things, as long as they're not contrary to what you believe, but the intent is there. So I like that there is I don't know. I feel like some people are just so stuck in their tradition. You can't veer one way or the other, and I don't consider this veering off in the wrong direction. I think it's enhancing the way that you worship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and I think that there's a line here that one of the other things we were reading it was talking about, like the bishops, and essentially one of the questions. It was like a Q&A, and one of the questions asked was like, well, if tradition is so important, then how come we change at all?
Speaker 2:And the response was basically that the bishops and you know the pope they are ordained, they are conservators and developers of the tradition yeah and I think that's a really interesting idea developing tradition and we were even talking about it right like we want to start traditions for our own family you're developing traditions as well as handing off traditions from our that we grew up, and it's an enhancement right. It's and again it has to be in line with what we believe for our family right.
Speaker 2:The tradition should make sense like we are catholic, so we should probably not celebrate, you know, hanukkah yeah, because you Because you know we that's not what our, that's not the tradition of our family, but we do create our own traditions in line with our beliefs. And I think that's kind of neat. And again, it should always be going back to the original basis of the tradition as well, right?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that's a cool bridge to like, like lightheartedly. We're sharing our traditions as families and the fun things that we did and do with our families, but I feel like the church has a beautiful way of bridging that gap between human and heaven. You know, like there's a reason why there are traditions in the church, because in a way, it aligns with the way that we are as humans, the way that our families function, like we naturally develop traditions in order to bond and strengthen our relationships and I feel like that's the same, like the church mimics that in a way, like these are traditions that the church instills and it's in order to enhance our worship, like we said, and to strengthen that bond with Jesus Christ. And like I don't know, I just love like the intentional things that the church does in order to meet us in our humanness.
Speaker 2:Well, and I also think that the church is like tradition is important, because church is meant to be kind of timeless church is meant to be kind of timeless, like it's meant to be celebrated, I think, personally kind of outside of time, and so tradition allows us to celebrate the same way our older brothers and sisters did many, many, many, many years ago. And like I think we've talked about this before on the podcast, but like it's so cool to think that you know a lot of the same prayers that we pray today you know were being prayed literally 2000 years ago you know, for the same things, for the same desires, for the same hopes, and there's something really comforting in that kind of knowing that you know we're all, we're literally all in this together, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like we are one church family and to be able to celebrate that throughout time is kind of cool. And Father Longenecker in his homily last week was talking kind of about how it's neat that, you know, the church that we go to was modeled after a church, I think, what do you say? Or an abbey built in like the 18th century and some of the music was from the 17th century and the stained glass windows were built in the you know, in the um 19, early 1900s by a guy like artists.
Speaker 2:That was like somehow in france, yeah and the mosaics were built this century by a guy in Jordan who was close to the Holy Land and not far from where John the Baptist was, and there's just all these neat little tie-ins. It's like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but way more real and cooler. There's so much I mean.
Speaker 1:I know it sounds silly. Do you want to be Catholic? Do you like Marvel? Well, but really people love.
Speaker 2:Do you know what the term lore means?
Speaker 1:like l-o-r-e it sounds like magical it.
Speaker 2:Well, it kind of is like lore is basically like what's the what's the story, right, like what's the mythology behind something? There's so much lore, and you know, with the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1:Oh, for sure.
Speaker 2:Like there's. So everything has such a neat story behind it, and I think that when you and you can find the story Exactly.
Speaker 1:If you really are interested in an art piece or a tradition that maybe we do or something, you can look it up and find where that came from.
Speaker 2:There's always a reason, and I think that's what is really cool is like there's always an explanation for something.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, that's like so fun. It's so fun to just like learn about it all, even though I will say we are cradle Catholics Like, yes, I think that some of this stuff piques people's interests and maybe makes them want to convert because they are into researching and doing their research and learning about this stuff. But we grew up with it and so it's cool that we got to grow up with it, be surrounded by it and then still also look deeper into it and be interested into it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, what are some of your favorite little tea traditions from the church?
Speaker 1:Little tea traditions. Well, now that this is a new distinction, I'm going to have to think what the little tea traditions?
Speaker 2:are, so that's like.
Speaker 1:My first thing that popped into my head was like I love praying the rosary.
Speaker 2:That's a little tea, one right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's something that developed over time.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I love praying the rosary. I just always had like a really deep relationship with Mary and I think that's accredited to my grandmother, and I would even say like praying the rosary in my family was kind of a tradition that we we would go, we would do in car rides anytime. You know, there was something significant that happened in our family and we didn't really know what to do. We would just get together and pray the rosary and, honestly, as a child I was like great, this is a great time to take a nap, Of course. But now I've like being able to grow up with that and see the way that my grandmother relied, like, gripped her rosary like it was a weapon, which it is like. It is literally like a weapon, a spiritual weapon.
Speaker 1:Seeing the way that she cling to it and the strength that it gave her. It inspired me to do the same. And so I find a lot of strength in praying the rosary. And if you're not familiar with the rosary, it's basically just a series of Our Fathers, hail Marys and Glory Be's that you pray over and over and over again. It's a repetitive prayer but it's kind of a meditative prayer prayer but it's kind of a meditative prayer. And each decade, or each 10 Hail Marys that you pray, you reflect on a new mystery and so, depending on the day, there's different mysteries which kind of go with different parts of Jesus's life. So if you pray all the mysteries, you go through the entire life of Jesus. So it's just a really really cool way to stay grounded. Life of Jesus. So it's just a really really cool way to stay grounded, reflect on the life of Jesus through his mother's eyes. And that's probably my most favorite little tea tradition. We talked about this earlier. We didn't know if, like liturgical seasons, are a little tea or a big tea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I couldn't find an answer on that one. They feel like I don't know liturgical seasons. Maybe feel like a little tea.
Speaker 1:Well, the only reason I think that is because there are different parts of the church, Like there's the Western church, there's the Eastern church, and I feel like Don't they. Well, never mind, never mind.
Speaker 2:They're all the same right Backtrack.
Speaker 1:Well then, I'm just thinking of, like the Orthodox church.
Speaker 2:Like they have a different liturgical calendar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wonder if I don't know.
Speaker 2:This is literally a true easter. This is us literally processing out loud that's a. That's a shout out to my friend kenton, whose grandmother is greek orthodox and would always text him like two weeks after easter and be like I hope you're celebrating the true easter but, um, yeah, I don't really know, but I love, um, I love like the seasons of preparation.
Speaker 1:It's like we're about to, um, we're about to enter into a season of advent prior to christmas. If you're a big christmas junkie, like advent's where it's at, like advent, literally, like people say christmas does not last long enough, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Which it does. It lasts from December 25th until when the epiphany right.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I always get this one wrong. I think it's the epiphany.
Speaker 2:It's whenever the wise men show up.
Speaker 1:But yes, I feel like is a great time to just like prepare your heart for like the spirit and the excitement of Jesus being born on Christmas Day. So I've always loved like finding a good devotional spending, like my season of Advent, like really diving into this devotion and then like really getting excited for Christmas. Sorry, now I'm just going on a tangent because I love liturgy.
Speaker 2:She loves the liturgical season um mine would be the saints. That's my favorite little tea tradition which saint I go between patrick and peter and you know I desperately want to name one of our future children peter with either peter or patrick, and I don't think you will I don't know, adhere to my request.
Speaker 1:It's all about I don't know. I know we're not there yet.
Speaker 2:We'll figure it out, let's have one first, um, but I I I go back and forth between peter and patrick, so I'm very irish and you're not very irish.
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 2:You said that, like you, your family, I was not immigrated from I mean, my grandmother's maiden name was o'kelly and they owned a bar in philadelphia okay, you are more southern than you are irish I don't agree with that you were literally southern you were raised here in the south. Yeah, but that doesn't make me Southern, oh my gosh. I'm not culturally Southern.
Speaker 1:You are also not culturally Irish.
Speaker 2:I'm culturally ambiguous. Okay, my genealogy is very Irish. How about that?
Speaker 1:I am Filipino. I was born in the Philippines.
Speaker 2:I get to say that oh, yeah, right, okay.
Speaker 1:I get to say that I was there longer than you were. You've never even been to Ireland. You don't even speak any Tagalog.
Speaker 2:Mahal kita, oh, I love you. Wonder where you heard that one, me, anyway. So I love St Patrick because my family's heritage is Irish. How about that, katie? There you go, but I also, I feel, feel so. Saint peter was my um confirmation saint and I feel a very kindred spirit with peter because peter so desperately wanted to be successful, he wanted to be important, he wanted to be well liked by christ and he just could not get out of his own way. And I like that because I feel very similar about myself, like I want, like I truly think Peter wanted to lead you know like in his heart, like he wanted to lead the church.
Speaker 2:And I feel that way, like with our family or my friends or at work, like I want to be a leader, but oftentimes I'm the one who gets in the way.
Speaker 1:That's good. I've actually never made that connection before, but I do see St Peter in you a lot.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, Give me the keys, but no, but like that's, oh, that's so sweet but that's. But I would say that's like those two for sure. And then my family has like a pretty not long but like a history with St Jude as well. My grandpa used to hand out St Jude medals to people. That's the patron saint of hopeless cases.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:And so that, like St Jude, like I know, my dad always, you know, has a St Jude medal on him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Cool.
Speaker 2:So well, there's our traditions, there's what we do with our family, our traditions with the church. I completely forgot to think of a marriage meeting.
Speaker 1:Oh well, you spoiled it because you already did a marriage meeting earlier today, great Earlier, during the podcast, the Deadpool question.
Speaker 2:That was our marriage meeting. So, katie, when Christmas rolls around and people are talking about the passion of the Christ at work, as they do, make sure they know that Deadpool made more money at the box office.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, thank you all for listening. Yeah, thank you for listening. Enjoy the holiday season. Happy Thanksgiving. Actually, this is coming out after Thanksgiving, so I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2:I hope your turkey was not dry and I hope that next year nobody will eat turkey ever again what a thing to end the podcast with let's keep growing together.
Speaker 1:everybody bye y'all, thank you.